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08 August 2006 @ 10:55 am
"the burn"  
Do you agree with the trainer/nutritionist on the show, when he asserts the following:

1. That you have to exercise outside your comfort zone (in the "pain zone", really pushing yourself), to get any benefit from exercise?

2. That you have to rid yourself of all processed foods, entirely, to be healthy? And that 'diet' foods are more chemicals than food and thus, to be entirely avoided?

These seem like impossibly high standards to me, for the average person. Especially if one is a volume eater ... or not a natural athelete. I hate when he ways "we'll make an athelete out of her" - not everyone has an inner athelete.

Then again, halfway through, each guest hits a plateau, and increasing intensity of exercise is supposed to fix that... Even Kathleen Daelmans says that it's best to workout with people who are better at it than you are, so you have to push yourself to keep up. And that seems to be the goal on 'The Biggest Loser', too - making people work out til they throw up falls in line with that theory.

If so, how do you push yourself that hard without a trainer to motivate you, or a group of super-fit friends to keep up with?

I know the answer to #2 - bulk up on veggies and whole grains, use non-fat condiments such as vinegars for flavour. And eat fruit instead of dessert. To date, this has only partially worked for me...

miss thangnurse_quigg on August 8th, 2006 06:29 pm (UTC)
based on past weight loss experience, when i pushed to the point of wanting to throw up, that's when i saw results superfast. i don't know that that's a good thing for your body or not but it did work for me. how to motivate to do so...to be really honest....and don't judge...i'm not all bad...but the only thing that motivated me to push it that last little bit was anger and spite. 'i'll show you asshole...i'll lose this weight and you'll eat shit!". and when sweating, i'd also be crying. it was anger-driven in a past relationship. honestly...i know that sounds awful to focus on the bad things to motivate me but when i focus on the good, i want to celebrate life with food!!! and now what i will let motivate me is the bad feelings i feel when people make me feel bad about my weight. maybe that's not a good thing...but it'll work.

i don't know about the foods. i do personally try to stick with low fat dairy (and see nothing wrong with that, it's just made with skim milk) and as for baked goods and such, i'll have less of the real stuff, good for you or not...when it's 'low fat' i tend to be like 'oh...well i can eat two then' so i may as well have just eaten the good stuff to begin with.

i did also notice the plateau phase halfway. of all the episodes i think most of them lost the bulk in the first half, then tapered off. in fact, i do recall that some never lost more than 5 pounds on the homestretch.
BruiseBluebruiseblue on August 8th, 2006 06:37 pm (UTC)
Ihave such a small (relatively) weight loss goal, so it's hard for me to judge - I mean, comparing my loss to that of someone who is obese, it doesn't compute. I'm quite happy losing 1 lb per week - but I also started at 1lb per week. (I'm at 154 now, hoping to reach 130).

Taking classes causes me to reach further than I would on my own - but alone in my home, I strive for increased duration rather than increased intensity. I know I'm becoming more fit, because I can increase intensity and duration over time, but I've never worked so hard I've thrown up, or had an emotional meltdown.

My mantra is all about health, but I'd also love to be the sexy little thing my husband first fell in love with (not that he cares). SO I'll tell myself "this is for your ASS" if I need an extra push.

The other strategy, if you can call it that, that I use is the walk - I'll go for a walk, and go away from home until I'm tired - but I don't bring my bus pass, so I have to walk home too. I know, it's lame, but there you go.

Oh, last night in the park I tried the step-up test, only neither of us had a watch so we couldn't time it - but my husband and I did step ups until we got very bored and gave ourselves the giggles, and neither of us felt any burn. I was so surprised.

Though, I found I used my arms to help move my body, and he didn't - but he's incredibly skinny and fit, he didn't need any help.
big_beckabig_becka on August 2nd, 2007 09:29 pm (UTC)
Just a few thoughts, from my horribly vast experience!

"1. That you have to exercise outside your comfort zone (in the "pain zone", really pushing yourself), to get any benefit from exercise?"

I think this depends how unfit you are. If you're just starting out, staying active with walking or swimming can work wonders. But once you get going, you'll need to start pushing yourself more, because your body seems to get used to the exercise :( You should be careful of pain though: working to a level of discomfort is recommended, but pain is NOT good. You can really screw up your joints or spine doing high impact exercise when you're overweight, and you can tear muscles trying to do too much too soon.

"2. That you have to rid yourself of all processed foods, entirely, to be healthy? And that 'diet' foods are more chemicals than food and thus, to be entirely avoided?"

I'ld agree with this. I used to eat "diet" foods (weight-watchers meals, SlimFast, those low-fat cereal bars) and my blood-sugar levels got so high that I had to go to hospital and be tested for Diabetes! The nurses accused me of binging on cream cakes! Going "cold turkey" is a useful exercise - it's surprising how addictive some processed food can be (fructose syrup, salt, MSG...). I'm actually a Vegan now, and I'ld recommend giving it a go. If you don't feel that's right for you, you may still find it helpful to bulk up on vegetables and eat low fat like Nurse Quigg said.

"how do you push yourself that hard without a trainer to motivate you, or a group of super-fit friends to keep up with?"

I take the martial arts approach: compete with yourself. Each day or week run faster, lift more or lose a little more weight than the day before. And the end of the day, we're all doing this for ourselves ;-)
miss thangnurse_quigg on August 21st, 2007 07:02 pm (UTC)
a year later, i'm catching up on commenting LOL! the condiment thing has only partially worked for me too. it's hard to convert when your preferences just simply aren't vinegar and mustard and the other 'free' type stuff. i've never liked the taste of the vinaigrettes or anything else tangy or tart. which pretty much means that it's a battle for me because anything that appeals to my taste buds is sweet (therefore calories and fat)!.

one thing i do do though...is add a bit of splenda to things to sweeten them up a bit. so at least there's no fat and barely any calories.
LytBrytlytbryt on August 23rd, 2007 03:27 pm (UTC)
You should push yourself during exercise only to a point. For many who have never really exercised their threshold is really low. You need to work almost to the point of fatigue. You should feel like you couldn't do much more at your current frequency, intensity, or duration (FIT). Anything less and you're not working to your potential. Anything more and you've probably crossed the anaerobic threshold and aren't burning anything but sugar not fat stores.

As for foods, there is a balance to be had. If you are in any real doubt consult a nutritionist. Reaixe that most low fat/so called healthier foods have generally swapped one bad thing for another. IMHO if you are craving ice cream. Control your portion size and have it. Most times people are not satisfied with all of the low fat blah blah blah because their craving isn't satisfied.

I tried the low fat cookies (oreos) For a while. I found myself eating more of them.

It's more important to eat smart than avoid things altogether. You body needs fat, sugar, protein to function properly. Most really processed foods are way over the top on some areas.

Read the labels of your foods. Look at portion size. Restaurants are killing us with huge meals. Even halfing the order is still more than most need.